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I have been playing wow since vanilla and been using tmorph for like 3 years.
There have been people saying its bannable since its release, but I wanted to be sure myself back then and asked a GM about it, what the GM said was, in exact words: 'The visual effects only appear differently to the person using the program and in rare circumstances maybe others with the same program. As such, there is no rule against it as it doesnt actually change anything in the game'
So I thought at least words from GM are accountable and should be trusted, it turned out to be negative:
My account got banned for using 3rd party software - Tmorph, and it is not just any ban, it is a removal of lisence which I believe is permanent.
On a side note, I thought blizzard at least give a warning or 3 day ban for behavior like this, that is to say, with no previous record - which I do, but the record was a misban which was reverted in within a week (If you know it, it was the mass ban wave for all players with 2400+ RBG ratings that were still playing, which I did earn them, legit, with SS beating Abn's team.) So I guess that record wouldn't count.
Anyway, back to topic, so I am just curious.
1> Is tmorph offically bannable now?
2> So words from GM can no longer be trusted and should not be? As I trusted a GM and now I suffer my account loss, who's fault to blame? Am I too naive to believe a employee of Blizzard saying anything about their service?
There have been people saying its bannable since its release, but I wanted to be sure myself back then and asked a GM about it, what the GM said was, in exact words: 'The visual effects only appear differently to the person using the program and in rare circumstances maybe others with the same program. As such, there is no rule against it as it doesnt actually change anything in the game'
So I thought at least words from GM are accountable and should be trusted, it turned out to be negative:
My account got banned for using 3rd party software - Tmorph, and it is not just any ban, it is a removal of lisence which I believe is permanent.
On a side note, I thought blizzard at least give a warning or 3 day ban for behavior like this, that is to say, with no previous record - which I do, but the record was a misban which was reverted in within a week (If you know it, it was the mass ban wave for all players with 2400+ RBG ratings that were still playing, which I did earn them, legit, with SS beating Abn's team.) So I guess that record wouldn't count.
Anyway, back to topic, so I am just curious.
1> Is tmorph offically bannable now?
2> So words from GM can no longer be trusted and should not be? As I trusted a GM and now I suffer my account loss, who's fault to blame? Am I too naive to believe a employee of Blizzard saying anything about their service?
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Blues please, as I do want to hear an official answer to my question
Either
1> No, we GMs are not trustworthy and Blizzard entertainment is not responsible for any words stated by Blizzard employee or GM, if you follow their instructions and suffer a loss, SUCK IT UP
or
2> Sorry for your loss and since you were mislead by a Blizzard employee that caused your ban, we would revert the ban. However, a fair warning that you should not be using any third party software including Tmorph
then maybe something like
If you have questions about a certain addon or software, please do advise a gm
Either
1> No, we GMs are not trustworthy and Blizzard entertainment is not responsible for any words stated by Blizzard employee or GM, if you follow their instructions and suffer a loss, SUCK IT UP
or
2> Sorry for your loss and since you were mislead by a Blizzard employee that caused your ban, we would revert the ban. However, a fair warning that you should not be using any third party software including Tmorph
then maybe something like
If you have questions about a certain addon or software, please do advise a gm
1> Is tmorph offically bannable now?
Always has been -
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/wow_tou.html
You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:
A. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the World of Warcraft experience;
B. exploit the Game or any of its parts, including without limitation the Service, for any commercial purpose, including without limitation (a) use at a cyber cafe, computer gaming center or any other location-based site without the express written consent of Blizzard; (b) for gathering in-game currency, items or resources for sale outside the Game; or (c) performing in-game services in exchange for payment outside the Game, e.g., power-leveling;
C. use any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, “mines,” or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information about a character or the game environment; provided, however, that Blizzard may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces;
D. modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Game Client or the Service in any way not expressly authorized by Blizzard;
01/14/2016 02:51 PMPosted by Evilball
2> So words from GM can no longer be trusted and should not be?How To Install Wow Addons
The Terms of Use is what you trust. If a GM says the moon is made of cheese, that does not make it so. A GM may have done their best to try and answer your concern, but they are ultimately not there to interpret the ToU for you. They are there to help with in-game and account issues, not be your legal adviser.who's fault to blame?
Since the info was in the Terms of Use for all this time, you are.I have SS if anything, I opened a ticket and asked a GM about it
the GM said IT IS FINE.1> Is tmorph offically bannable now?
Always has been -
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/wow_tou.html
You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:
A. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the World of Warcraft experience;
B. exploit the Game or any of its parts, including without limitation the Service, for any commercial purpose, including without limitation (a) use at a cyber cafe, computer gaming center or any other location-based site without the express written consent of Blizzard; (b) for gathering in-game currency, items or resources for sale outside the Game; or (c) performing in-game services in exchange for payment outside the Game, e.g., power-leveling;
C. use any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, “mines,” or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information about a character or the game environment; provided, however, that Blizzard may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces;
D. modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Game Client or the Service in any way not expressly authorized by Blizzard;
01/14/2016 02:51 PMPosted by Evilball
2> So words from GM can no longer be trusted and should not be?The Terms of Use is what you trust. If a GM says the moon is made of cheese, that does not make it so. A GM may have done their best to try and answer your concern, but they are ultimately not there to interpret the ToU for you. They are there to help with in-game and account issues, not be your legal adviser.
who's fault to blame?
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Since the info was in the Terms of Use for all this time, you are.Tmorph modifies game files. This is SPECIFICALLY against the ToU.
I have SS if anything, I opened a ticket and asked a GM about it
the GM said IT IS FINE.
What a GM said does not matter in regards to interpreting the ToU for you. Their words are not binding.
What is binding is what you clicked 'Agree' to each time you were asked to agree to the ToU. A GM words cannot override the ToU. It is the supreme law of the game.
it actually does modify files, it just changes your appearance by directing the current appearance to a specific model file you want. ToU also says no player owns any right of their own accounts, and yet you get to play with it and even do account restores/ password resets.
Tmorph modifies game files. This is SPECIFICALLY against the ToU.
I'm going to lock this one for now to keep a lot of the back and forth I predict will occur from happening. I will be responding shortly.
Alright, took me longer than I had wanted. I needed to dig up some information.
I can find no record of a tickets on your account where you made an inquiry about this, Evilball. Was this on a different account? Do you have a ticket ID for it?
I did recall the wording you quoted though, as it was strangely familiar. It seems I recalled it from a thread that I answered a few months ago. Where someone else posted a reply from a Game Master from 2013.
It is true, the Game Master that was asked a question about the program misunderstood the full scope of the question, the program, and our stance. They unfortunately overstepped and provided an incorrect response. I took steps back then to make sure that their information was corrected.
To be clear once more. We are not really able to speak to a specific program. However, any program that alters files in the way described would be prohibited by our policies. Using something like that can put your account at risk.
With that said, Evilball, while I cannot provide any real details I can say with absolute certainty this action had nothing to do with your current claim, or because you may have used a proxy. It had everything to do with the actions found on the account.
I'm sorry, Evilball, but we have gone over this account several times now and I'm afraid we can find no evidence of a compromise that would allow us to overturn it.
There have been people saying its bannable since its release, but I wanted to be sure myself back then and asked a GM about it, what the GM said was, in exact words: 'The visual effects only appear differently to the person using the program and in rare circumstances maybe others with the same program. As such, there is no rule against it as it doesnt actually change anything in the game'
I can find no record of a tickets on your account where you made an inquiry about this, Evilball. Was this on a different account? Do you have a ticket ID for it?
I did recall the wording you quoted though, as it was strangely familiar. It seems I recalled it from a thread that I answered a few months ago. Where someone else posted a reply from a Game Master from 2013.
It is true, the Game Master that was asked a question about the program misunderstood the full scope of the question, the program, and our stance. They unfortunately overstepped and provided an incorrect response. I took steps back then to make sure that their information was corrected.
To be clear once more. We are not really able to speak to a specific program. However, any program that alters files in the way described would be prohibited by our policies. Using something like that can put your account at risk.
With that said, Evilball, while I cannot provide any real details I can say with absolute certainty this action had nothing to do with your current claim, or because you may have used a proxy. It had everything to do with the actions found on the account.
I'm sorry, Evilball, but we have gone over this account several times now and I'm afraid we can find no evidence of a compromise that would allow us to overturn it.
Seems Vrak handled this quite thoroughly.
In the future, if you wish to play WoW - you'll want to do so without using any third party programs that violate the ToU.
Luckily, Blizzard only bans the license, and not the player.
So, if you have learned your lesson, welcome back!
In the future, if you wish to play WoW - you'll want to do so without using any third party programs that violate the ToU.
Luckily, Blizzard only bans the license, and not the player.
So, if you have learned your lesson, welcome back!
I've seen people lately trying to rules lawyer their way out of Tmorph bans (it doesn't work, but they try) by claiming 'it doesn't actually modify files'. Doesn't matter. Whether it modifies the files on the disk, or modifies the code in memory, that's still 'modifying the game client' as far as Blizzard is concerned. This program is one of the most blatant ToU violations there is. It's up there with botting and gold selling.
If Blizzard wanted to make it possible for you to appear as another race, they would. And in fact, there is LEGAL in-game functionality to do this to an extent. There are several toys that will alter your appearance.
The only type of 'legal' third party software that I can think of that modifies game appearance are post-processing things like SweetFX and Reshade. And those don't modify the game in any way, they just intercept the video stream before it's sent to the GPU and add extra features (typically altering AA settings for games that don't support it, but also altering color profiles and adjusting contrast/graininess/etc. I've never heard of anyone getting banned for these utilities. Arkham Knight benefitted greatly from Reshade and SweetFX before the game was fixed.
If Blizzard wanted to make it possible for you to appear as another race, they would. And in fact, there is LEGAL in-game functionality to do this to an extent. There are several toys that will alter your appearance.
The only type of 'legal' third party software that I can think of that modifies game appearance are post-processing things like SweetFX and Reshade. And those don't modify the game in any way, they just intercept the video stream before it's sent to the GPU and add extra features (typically altering AA settings for games that don't support it, but also altering color profiles and adjusting contrast/graininess/etc. I've never heard of anyone getting banned for these utilities. Arkham Knight benefitted greatly from Reshade and SweetFX before the game was fixed.
It is true, the Game Master that was asked a question about the program misunderstood the full scope of the question, the program, and our stance. They unfortunately overstepped and provided an incorrect response. I took steps back then to make sure that their information was corrected.
How often does this happen Vrak? I've seen you post this before and it kind of worries me about my future interactions with GM's.
How often does this happen Vrak? I've seen you post this before and it kind of worries me about my future interactions with GM's.
That's really not a question he can answer and you know that.
and it kind of worries me about my future interactions with GM's
If you push the envelope, try to ruleslawyer your way around the rules, or try to trick or confuse a GM into saying something, yes then you have reason to worry. As you know now, if you trick a GM into saying something, that doesn't exempt you from the rules.
If on the other hand you play legit, like millions of players do everyday without getting into trouble, I wouldn't worry too much. It 's really not that complicated unless you make it so.
How often does this happen Vrak? I've seen you post this before and it kind of worries me about my future interactions with GM's.
It is relatively rare. The policies and philosophies behind those policies are readily available to our Game Masters. Not to mention our teams contain a mix of staff that has varying skills and experience that benefit the whole team. They are human though so some things slip by. We don't have a list of what programs are acceptable and which ones aren't, it is entirely possible that they thought they understood the policies involved and based their answer on it. It's a bit of a rookie mistake, but it happens from time to time and our structure is designed to educate in those situations.
We not only have surveys that you would fill out after you have closed the ticket but we are encouraged to also mentor our fellow teammates and their supervisors review a lot of their work. Mistakes happen, though we take a lot of steps to ensure they don't. Even after the fact we try to educate and improve future contacts.
Well then can you tell me what software I used then? I currently have no idea what could of caused the ban, can you please let me know so I make sure that do not happen in the future?
Well then can you tell me what software I used then? I currently have no idea what could of caused the ban, can you please let me know so I make sure that do not happen in the future?
basically any programme that you use that does not reside in the addon folder and has an .exe extension will probably get you banned.
and judging from the sound of it, it's a bot.
Well then can you tell me what software I used then?
You already admitted to using a software that's not allowed. And as Vrak said:
01/14/2016 09:04 PMPosted by Vrakthris
We don't have a list of what programs are acceptable and which ones aren'tlike skype.exe, curse. exe firefox.exe and hmm windowupdate.exe, battlenet.exe?
Well then can you tell me what software I used then? I currently have no idea what could of caused the ban, can you please let me know so I make sure that do not happen in the future?
I'm afraid not. The goal of those who create these programs is to remain as undetected as they can, invisible if at all possible. So, as soon as they are found out they immediately try to figure out what exactly got them caught.
To avoid giving any insight into our methods and what specifically was detected we're unable to provide details on what was found or how it was found out. I'm sorry.
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